Comments on: Show #47: Genesis – It's Been A Long, Long Time (Mini) http://www.upthedownstair.net/2006/01/show-47-genesis-its-been-long-long.html Being a weeklie podcaste from Madison, Wisconsin featuring several remarkable curiosities therein occurring being a compendium of live music from divers artistes Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:25:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Palmer http://www.upthedownstair.net/2006/01/show-47-genesis-its-been-long-long.html#comment-51 Palmer Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:13:01 +0000 tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14036982.post-113806321348664602#comment-51 I can throw a CAS show up.<br /><br />I too like CAS's darker tone but thought that the weakest songs were worse than those on WCD. A lot of the drumming is just flat and boring to my ears. I can throw a CAS show up.

I too like CAS's darker tone but thought that the weakest songs were worse than those on WCD. A lot of the drumming is just flat and boring to my ears.

]]> By: zombie rotten mcdonald http://www.upthedownstair.net/2006/01/show-47-genesis-its-been-long-long.html#comment-52 zombie rotten mcdonald Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:01:18 +0000 tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14036982.post-113806321348664602#comment-52 I'd like to hear one of teh CAS shows, too, don't really care which one.<br /><br />I always liked CAS, liked the darker tone. But I always wished they had brought Chester Thompson and Daryl Stuermer in as full time members, whether they called it Genesis or not. I think it would have added some new fire, and new musical directions. I'd like to hear one of teh CAS shows, too, don't really care which one.

I always liked CAS, liked the darker tone. But I always wished they had brought Chester Thompson and Daryl Stuermer in as full time members, whether they called it Genesis or not. I think it would have added some new fire, and new musical directions.

]]> By: Palmer http://www.upthedownstair.net/2006/01/show-47-genesis-its-been-long-long.html#comment-53 Palmer Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:04:09 +0000 tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14036982.post-113806321348664602#comment-53 Don't get me wrong, I liked Ray's voice quite a bit. I too wished they'd carried on with Ray but included him in the songwriting process. And a live drummer too.<br/><br/>Yes, I have several shows with Ray. Do you have one in particular that you'd like to hear? Don’t get me wrong, I liked Ray’s voice quite a bit. I too wished they’d carried on with Ray but included him in the songwriting process. And a live drummer too.

Yes, I have several shows with Ray. Do you have one in particular that you’d like to hear?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.upthedownstair.net/2006/01/show-47-genesis-its-been-long-long.html#comment-54 Anonymous Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:52:37 +0000 tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14036982.post-113806321348664602#comment-54 I think Ray was excellent. He had a voice that was in the mid between Gabriel and Collins. On Calling All Stations I thought he sounded superb, and his voice really worked well on some of the older Genesis tunes. The problem, pointed out previously, was no writing continuity. The 2 things that did them in, I think, is that they did not hire Ray and THEN write the album....the basically brought him in to sing their songs. And the other is that they made the decision to carry on, which I was glad for, but they swung so far in the other direction moodwise, from Collins pop to dark and moody angst with Wilson, that they alienated their pop fans. CAS is an underrated album and I hate how Ray was given the short shrift and basically taking the blame for the failure of the album to take off in the US. I would have loved to see what they had done together writing as a team for the contracted second album, and I wish they had included him in the Carpet Crawlers remake with Pete and Phil instead of inviting him and then uninviting him. As a group, they've lost some of my respect for their treatment of a guy who had incredible amounts of pressure foisted on him and who, when taken on its own merits, performed very well for them.<br/><br/>Any shows in your possession with Ray fronting the gang in Europe? I think Ray was excellent. He had a voice that was in the mid between Gabriel and Collins. On Calling All Stations I thought he sounded superb, and his voice really worked well on some of the older Genesis tunes. The problem, pointed out previously, was no writing continuity. The 2 things that did them in, I think, is that they did not hire Ray and THEN write the album….the basically brought him in to sing their songs. And the other is that they made the decision to carry on, which I was glad for, but they swung so far in the other direction moodwise, from Collins pop to dark and moody angst with Wilson, that they alienated their pop fans. CAS is an underrated album and I hate how Ray was given the short shrift and basically taking the blame for the failure of the album to take off in the US. I would have loved to see what they had done together writing as a team for the contracted second album, and I wish they had included him in the Carpet Crawlers remake with Pete and Phil instead of inviting him and then uninviting him. As a group, they’ve lost some of my respect for their treatment of a guy who had incredible amounts of pressure foisted on him and who, when taken on its own merits, performed very well for them.

Any shows in your possession with Ray fronting the gang in Europe?

]]> By: Palmer http://www.upthedownstair.net/2006/01/show-47-genesis-its-been-long-long.html#comment-55 Palmer Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:19:07 +0000 tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14036982.post-113806321348664602#comment-55 I don't think it was a horrible decision to carry on but I do think they should have gotten a full-time drummer and included everyone in the song writing process. Most of the songs on CAS were pretty weak and most of the drumming sounds like the guys were told to just replicate the drum machines on the demos rather than do what they do best. I don’t think it was a horrible decision to carry on but I do think they should have gotten a full-time drummer and included everyone in the song writing process. Most of the songs on CAS were pretty weak and most of the drumming sounds like the guys were told to just replicate the drum machines on the demos rather than do what they do best.

]]> By: David Amulet http://www.upthedownstair.net/2006/01/show-47-genesis-its-been-long-long.html#comment-56 David Amulet Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:56:13 +0000 tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14036982.post-113806321348664602#comment-56 While I like Ray's voice and thought that it worked well with some of the new songs, I think it was a horrible decision for Tony and Mike to carry forward as Genesis. It was bad enough when Peter left, then worse when Steve departed ... but to go with only two original members and a singer close to half their age was a recipe for disaster.<br/><br/>-- david While I like Ray’s voice and thought that it worked well with some of the new songs, I think it was a horrible decision for Tony and Mike to carry forward as Genesis. It was bad enough when Peter left, then worse when Steve departed … but to go with only two original members and a singer close to half their age was a recipe for disaster.

– david

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